1 00:00:09,467 --> 00:00:10,510 Harrison Ford. 2 00:00:10,510 --> 00:00:12,345 How can you not love the guy? 3 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:14,639 {\an8}You probably think of him as a star. 4 00:00:14,639 --> 00:00:16,307 - Han Solo. - I thought he was 5 00:00:16,307 --> 00:00:17,767 so sexy and handsome. 6 00:00:17,767 --> 00:00:19,227 As a Hollywood legend. 7 00:00:19,227 --> 00:00:20,645 He's the icon. 8 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:22,230 All right, an icon. 9 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:23,356 Oh God. 10 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:24,816 He's a very interesting man. 11 00:00:24,941 --> 00:00:26,109 And he is. 12 00:00:26,109 --> 00:00:27,652 Who woulda thunk it? 13 00:00:27,777 --> 00:00:29,654 But no one believed this ensemble actor 14 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:31,865 could be a leading man. 15 00:00:31,990 --> 00:00:33,741 - This is our hero? - Ow! 16 00:00:33,741 --> 00:00:35,368 - This guy? - Few thought 17 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:37,287 this former carpenter... 18 00:00:37,287 --> 00:00:39,122 I didn't even know how long it took to bake a potato 19 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:41,374 ...could hold much more than a hammer, 20 00:00:41,374 --> 00:00:42,500 let alone a movie franchise. 21 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:43,543 Dr Jones. 22 00:00:43,668 --> 00:00:45,211 Yes. 23 00:00:45,211 --> 00:00:47,505 Harrison as a leading man. 24 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:49,215 But the history of Harrison... 25 00:00:49,340 --> 00:00:51,384 He had so much potential. 26 00:00:51,509 --> 00:00:52,635 ...is the story of a man 27 00:00:52,635 --> 00:00:54,679 who always knew what he wanted. 28 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:57,515 I didn't want to do the same thing over and over again. 29 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,726 And always worked to his own script. 30 00:00:59,851 --> 00:01:01,811 He say you Blade Runner. 31 00:01:01,811 --> 00:01:03,146 Tell him I'm eating. 32 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:04,522 He didn't like to rehearse. 33 00:01:04,522 --> 00:01:06,232 - I love you. - I know. 34 00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:08,151 He just ad-libbed that. 35 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:09,486 From Han Solo... 36 00:01:09,486 --> 00:01:11,362 Harrison became the star. 37 00:01:11,362 --> 00:01:12,697 ...to going solo. 38 00:01:12,697 --> 00:01:15,325 His success was not by accident. 39 00:01:15,325 --> 00:01:16,576 From one big name... 40 00:01:16,701 --> 00:01:18,161 George Steven. 41 00:01:18,161 --> 00:01:19,454 ...to the next, 42 00:01:19,454 --> 00:01:21,206 dodging all the snakes in between. 43 00:01:21,206 --> 00:01:23,082 Is this a real snake? 44 00:01:23,082 --> 00:01:26,252 I think I'm the only actress in town that has a snake. 45 00:01:26,377 --> 00:01:27,378 So join us. 46 00:01:27,378 --> 00:01:28,713 Hold onto your potatoes. 47 00:01:28,713 --> 00:01:30,215 For an adventure. 48 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:31,549 It's not necessarily a fun... 49 00:01:32,842 --> 00:01:33,760 ...adventure. 50 00:01:33,885 --> 00:01:35,637 It's a wonderful story. 51 00:01:35,637 --> 00:01:37,555 With the man who reinvented the genre. 52 00:01:37,555 --> 00:01:39,224 It wasn't a sure thing. 53 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,226 And then reinvented himself. 54 00:01:41,226 --> 00:01:42,393 Action star. 55 00:01:42,393 --> 00:01:44,103 I didn't kill my wife! 56 00:01:44,103 --> 00:01:45,438 And thinking, man. 57 00:01:45,563 --> 00:01:46,689 Harrison decided that he wanted 58 00:01:46,689 --> 00:01:47,774 to actually learn how to fly. 59 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:49,734 Get off my plane! 60 00:01:49,734 --> 00:01:52,487 I hear the plane, "Zzz." 61 00:01:53,738 --> 00:01:54,906 Crash. 62 00:01:54,906 --> 00:01:56,658 Air Force One is down! 63 00:01:56,658 --> 00:01:58,785 I'll tell you a story about Harrison that's true. 64 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:00,912 As told by the people in the room. 65 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:02,747 What would be the nice way to put it? 66 00:02:02,872 --> 00:02:04,749 Harrison might've called him lurch. 67 00:02:04,749 --> 00:02:06,251 On set. 68 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:07,919 He broke my fucking rib. 69 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:10,255 I'm not doing this piece of shit again. 70 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:11,548 Behind the camera. 71 00:02:11,548 --> 00:02:13,299 He was acting all the way down 72 00:02:13,424 --> 00:02:15,426 to the crotch and I was shooting. 73 00:02:15,426 --> 00:02:16,845 And on it. 74 00:02:16,845 --> 00:02:18,847 I was like, what the fuck are you doing? 75 00:02:18,847 --> 00:02:20,598 What a lunatic! 76 00:02:20,598 --> 00:02:22,892 Does the word asshole come into mind? 77 00:02:22,892 --> 00:02:25,603 What the fuck is happening to my movie? 78 00:02:25,603 --> 00:02:26,813 One man. 79 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:28,189 Get you anything, Mr. Trainer? 80 00:02:28,314 --> 00:02:29,649 Coffee, tea, me? 81 00:02:29,774 --> 00:02:31,734 Almost 5 billion in box office. 82 00:02:31,734 --> 00:02:34,195 Holy mother of God. 83 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:35,989 Across nearly 50 years. 84 00:02:36,114 --> 00:02:39,450 He was not there to just read the script. 85 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:40,618 I told him to say that. 86 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:42,370 So say it with us. 87 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:44,497 Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. 88 00:02:44,622 --> 00:02:45,832 Because this is 89 00:02:45,957 --> 00:02:48,626 "Icons Unearthed: Harrison Ford." 90 00:03:22,368 --> 00:03:23,703 Right from the get-go, 91 00:03:23,828 --> 00:03:25,705 the young Harrison Ford was ambitious, 92 00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:27,665 but realistic about acting. 93 00:03:27,665 --> 00:03:32,420 I had no discernible talent for it, I think at first. 94 00:03:32,754 --> 00:03:35,840 But he definitely came from the creative pedigree. 95 00:03:36,007 --> 00:03:37,759 {\an8}His parents were involved 96 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:39,719 {\an8}in the advertising business in Chicago. 97 00:03:39,844 --> 00:03:41,971 One quality that would ultimately help Harrison 98 00:03:41,971 --> 00:03:43,806 with his acting ambitions, 99 00:03:43,806 --> 00:03:45,600 his desire to learn by doing. 100 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,811 He was a hands-on guy. He was a carpenter. 101 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:49,854 {\an8}We all knew Harrison as the guy 102 00:03:49,979 --> 00:03:52,732 {\an8}who'd finished our kitchens and did carpentry. 103 00:03:52,732 --> 00:03:55,693 He did everything. He did all kinds of stuff. 104 00:03:55,819 --> 00:03:58,530 He was even briefly a cook on a yacht. 105 00:03:58,530 --> 00:04:00,365 I didn't even know how long it took to bake a potato. 106 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:01,741 Yo, he hadn't paid rent, 107 00:04:01,866 --> 00:04:03,535 when he was an out-of-work actor. 108 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:05,662 His first lines in a film were short. 109 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:08,957 Paging Mr. Ellis. Paging Mr. Ellis. 110 00:04:08,957 --> 00:04:10,708 You wanna hear my whole dialogue? 111 00:04:10,708 --> 00:04:12,418 Paging Mr. Ellis. 112 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:13,920 And even his short appearance... 113 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,672 Room 607. 114 00:04:15,672 --> 00:04:17,257 ...wouldn't deter him from getting 115 00:04:17,382 --> 00:04:18,883 on the radar of just the right people. 116 00:04:19,008 --> 00:04:22,804 {\an8}George Lucas gave him his break, his big break. 117 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:25,849 That was in 1973's American Graffiti. 118 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:28,309 I wanted the job very badly. 119 00:04:28,309 --> 00:04:31,604 But when the studio came back with their offer... 120 00:04:31,604 --> 00:04:36,526 I felt that what they were offering me was just unfair. 121 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:37,944 Well, if it's not fair, 122 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:39,904 someone should check the numbers. 123 00:04:39,904 --> 00:04:42,031 They went over the entire budget and they called me back 124 00:04:42,031 --> 00:04:44,742 and they offered me more money. 125 00:04:44,742 --> 00:04:46,911 Sorry if I scared you. 126 00:04:46,911 --> 00:04:49,372 And when I edited American Graffiti, 127 00:04:49,372 --> 00:04:52,750 I was just enamored with Harrison's performance. 128 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:56,045 George's partner in life and film, Marcia, 129 00:04:56,045 --> 00:04:57,755 had a knack for spotting talents, 130 00:04:57,755 --> 00:04:59,924 and Ford was hard not to notice. 131 00:05:00,049 --> 00:05:02,594 I thought he was so sexy and... 132 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:06,973 So handsome and he had so much potential. 133 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:09,058 Hey, doll, why don't you come on and ride with me. 134 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:10,685 He made such an impression. 135 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:12,812 You're gonna appreciate me soon. 136 00:05:12,937 --> 00:05:15,440 After grappling with a few minor roles 137 00:05:15,565 --> 00:05:18,443 {\an8}In Francis's movie, The Conversation. 138 00:05:18,443 --> 00:05:20,612 Don't get involved in this, Mr. Khan. 139 00:05:20,612 --> 00:05:21,905 And Hi. 140 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:22,947 struggling to land a punch. 141 00:05:24,407 --> 00:05:26,451 I felt I never had the opportunity 142 00:05:26,451 --> 00:05:31,372 to develop a technique which finally began to serve me. 143 00:05:31,372 --> 00:05:33,791 But Harrison quickly reunited with Lucas 144 00:05:33,791 --> 00:05:36,419 for the breakout rule of a lifetime. 145 00:05:36,419 --> 00:05:37,795 Han Solo. 146 00:05:37,795 --> 00:05:39,631 I'm captain of the Millennium Falcon. 147 00:05:39,756 --> 00:05:42,675 His big break is as Han Solo. 148 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:44,969 Great kid! Don't get cocky! 149 00:05:44,969 --> 00:05:46,805 But as for Star Wars, well, 150 00:05:46,930 --> 00:05:49,516 we've already un-earthed that saga. 151 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:51,059 Don't everybody thank me at once. 152 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:52,936 But if you want the full story 153 00:05:52,936 --> 00:05:55,021 of how Harrison picked up the blaster 154 00:05:55,146 --> 00:05:56,606 before a fedora, 155 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:58,149 you can always catch those episodes 156 00:05:58,149 --> 00:06:00,652 on your favorite streaming services. 157 00:06:00,777 --> 00:06:02,112 But in the meantime, 158 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:04,531 when the galactic opera first hit theaters. 159 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:07,158 We were in a crappy hotel in Hawaii 160 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:10,161 with George and Marcia, and he got a telegram. 161 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:13,540 I said, "You gotta watch the news tonight, George." 162 00:06:13,665 --> 00:06:15,834 Tonight there was a strange happening 163 00:06:15,834 --> 00:06:18,002 of lines around the block from a movie 164 00:06:18,002 --> 00:06:19,671 that hasn't even opened yet. 165 00:06:19,671 --> 00:06:20,880 Star Wars was a hit. 166 00:06:21,005 --> 00:06:21,965 Yee-ha! 167 00:06:23,049 --> 00:06:24,676 And lucky for Harrison, 168 00:06:24,676 --> 00:06:26,511 Lucas had something else up his sleeve 169 00:06:26,511 --> 00:06:29,597 and Steven Spielberg would be the first to know. 170 00:06:29,597 --> 00:06:31,474 We were in Maui. 171 00:06:32,976 --> 00:06:37,063 And George told Steven about this project that he had. 172 00:06:37,188 --> 00:06:39,774 But George didn't just turn to Steven. 173 00:06:39,774 --> 00:06:42,444 He also confided in Howard, a partner, 174 00:06:42,444 --> 00:06:44,863 going back to the early days of Lucasfilm. 175 00:06:44,863 --> 00:06:48,116 George, they were talking about taking old serials 176 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:50,034 and putting them together. 177 00:06:50,034 --> 00:06:54,164 They wanted to do a cliffhanger like episodic television. 178 00:06:54,164 --> 00:06:56,166 I'm sure that voice came from here. 179 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:58,209 Lucas wanted to make a movie that reminded him 180 00:06:58,209 --> 00:06:59,878 of his first love of cinema. 181 00:07:00,003 --> 00:07:02,589 Like the old time serials that we used 182 00:07:02,714 --> 00:07:04,132 {\an8}to see when we were kids. 183 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:07,218 And as you know, a serial is a cliffhanger. 184 00:07:07,218 --> 00:07:12,098 You see episode one and the truck, a heroine is in it, 185 00:07:12,223 --> 00:07:16,060 and the truck drives off the cliff and you think she's dead. 186 00:07:16,186 --> 00:07:18,021 Next week, episode two, 187 00:07:18,021 --> 00:07:20,607 just before it drives off the cliff, 188 00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:24,194 she opens the door and jumps out, she's safe. 189 00:07:24,194 --> 00:07:27,489 Old fashioned serials, but all in one. 190 00:07:27,489 --> 00:07:29,199 The idea was both old and new 191 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:33,119 {\an8}and the serials had established one thing George liked. 192 00:07:33,244 --> 00:07:37,040 We had an archetype that had been created. 193 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,875 The swashbuckling, 194 00:07:38,875 --> 00:07:41,252 occasionally vine swinging hero. 195 00:07:43,087 --> 00:07:46,883 {\an8}Steven was very, very clear about the archetype 196 00:07:47,008 --> 00:07:48,259 of Indiana Jones. 197 00:07:48,259 --> 00:07:49,802 And the archetype needed 198 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:51,721 the right person behind it. 199 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:54,974 Costume designer, Deborah Landis fit the bill. 200 00:07:55,099 --> 00:07:57,143 I had a sketch pad in front of me 201 00:07:57,268 --> 00:08:01,022 and I asked Steven to draw Indiana Jones. 202 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:04,108 And just like that, Spielberg's sketched 203 00:08:04,108 --> 00:08:05,735 what would go on to become one of the 204 00:08:05,735 --> 00:08:08,696 most iconic costumes in Hollywood history. 205 00:08:08,696 --> 00:08:12,575 With his jacket and his hat and the fedora. 206 00:08:12,575 --> 00:08:15,578 Of course, an archaeologist carries a whip, doesn't he? 207 00:08:16,788 --> 00:08:17,831 Not. 208 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:19,332 The costume had been worn 209 00:08:19,457 --> 00:08:23,002 by Charlton Heston in at least two films. 210 00:08:23,002 --> 00:08:24,838 You hired me to pilot your plane. Got that? 211 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:26,881 So they had their archetypal hero. 212 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:28,550 The adventurer. 213 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:29,843 And the style of storytelling. 214 00:08:29,968 --> 00:08:31,010 An adventure picture. 215 00:08:31,136 --> 00:08:32,637 But Howard knew 216 00:08:32,762 --> 00:08:34,305 the most important thing was still missing. 217 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:35,849 What is it we're after? 218 00:08:35,974 --> 00:08:36,975 What is the treasure? 219 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:38,601 What is the McGuffin? 220 00:08:38,601 --> 00:08:39,978 Whatever the McGuffin, 221 00:08:40,103 --> 00:08:41,771 it was a man with a different name. 222 00:08:41,771 --> 00:08:44,023 One of the local filmmakers in San Francisco 223 00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:45,775 was Phil Kaufman. 224 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:47,152 Who came up with the McGuffin. 225 00:08:47,152 --> 00:08:49,028 Great McGuffin. The Ark of the Covenant. 226 00:08:49,154 --> 00:08:50,947 The lost Ark? 227 00:08:50,947 --> 00:08:54,159 The Ark of the Covenant is the McGuffin, so to speak. 228 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:55,994 Nearly 3000 years, 229 00:08:56,119 --> 00:08:58,329 man has been searching for the lost Ark. 230 00:08:58,455 --> 00:09:02,876 Where did Phil Kaufman get that idea? His dentist. 231 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:03,960 They had their mission, 232 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:05,962 but who was the hero on it? 233 00:09:05,962 --> 00:09:08,173 Did this guy even have a name? 234 00:09:08,173 --> 00:09:10,842 And George wanted to call the hero Indiana Smith. 235 00:09:10,967 --> 00:09:13,011 It could so easy have been Dr. Smith. 236 00:09:13,011 --> 00:09:14,888 But for one thing. 237 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:17,765 I wanted to have a baby, and I had the baby crazies. 238 00:09:17,891 --> 00:09:19,851 Except it became a fur baby. 239 00:09:19,976 --> 00:09:22,187 Because George wasn't ready for a family just yet. 240 00:09:22,187 --> 00:09:23,980 No, no, no. 241 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:26,399 His career wasn't really, you know, all that great. 242 00:09:26,524 --> 00:09:28,818 He said, "But I'll get you a dog." 243 00:09:28,818 --> 00:09:30,111 So then I said, "Okay, Great." 244 00:09:30,111 --> 00:09:31,696 Then I call her "Indiana." 245 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:33,656 And that's how Indiana got her name. 246 00:09:33,656 --> 00:09:36,117 Which is how Indiana got his name. 247 00:09:36,117 --> 00:09:37,744 Indiana Jones. 248 00:09:37,869 --> 00:09:39,704 He's named after the dog. 249 00:09:39,704 --> 00:09:42,081 Jones just rolled off of your tongue better than Smith. 250 00:09:42,207 --> 00:09:44,167 George Lucas had a great idea 251 00:09:44,167 --> 00:09:46,753 led by a character named after a dog, 252 00:09:46,878 --> 00:09:48,213 but he was without the one thing, 253 00:09:48,213 --> 00:09:50,381 he really needed to realize his dream. 254 00:09:50,507 --> 00:09:52,717 So I remember sitting out at the pool with George 255 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:56,054 and George was saying, "I gotta find a writer." 256 00:09:56,054 --> 00:09:57,180 "Where am I gonna go?" 257 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:58,223 "How am I gonna get a writer?" 258 00:09:58,348 --> 00:10:00,141 "Who should I get for writing?" 259 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:01,976 The answer to that question is gonna start 260 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:05,188 a career and kick off a franchise at the same time. 261 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:08,233 If there was one thing 262 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:10,944 that has always been true in Hollywood, it might be this. 263 00:10:11,069 --> 00:10:13,988 There has to be a story. Story, story, story. 264 00:10:13,988 --> 00:10:15,907 George was set on nearly every front, 265 00:10:16,032 --> 00:10:17,909 except when it came to a writer. 266 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:21,287 Luckily, Empire Strikes Back writer Lawrence Kasdan 267 00:10:21,412 --> 00:10:22,872 was ready to step in. 268 00:10:22,997 --> 00:10:26,626 {\an8}So Larry and Steven and George met 269 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,795 {\an8}and they discussed the plot. 270 00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:30,880 Kasdan created a story big enough 271 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,007 to film many a movie matinee. 272 00:10:33,007 --> 00:10:34,968 Larry went off and wrote a draft, 273 00:10:35,093 --> 00:10:36,970 which was very, very good. 274 00:10:37,095 --> 00:10:38,888 Finally, the film had a writer. 275 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:40,265 - Yes. - Script. 276 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:41,975 - Yes. - The money? 277 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:43,059 Mmm. 278 00:10:45,395 --> 00:10:47,730 At last, Indiana Jones had the writer 279 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:50,024 and script George had been waiting for. 280 00:10:50,024 --> 00:10:51,901 But could they afford to make it? 281 00:10:52,819 --> 00:10:54,279 No. 282 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:58,116 George didn't wanna fund Raiders of the Lost Ark. 283 00:10:58,116 --> 00:11:00,076 Lucas wanted studio backing 284 00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:02,453 and planned to leverage his Star Wars clout. 285 00:11:02,453 --> 00:11:05,331 I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money. 286 00:11:05,456 --> 00:11:08,376 And he had a name behind him with success. 287 00:11:08,376 --> 00:11:10,086 But believe it or not, 288 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:12,255 George's partner, Spielberg wasn't coming in 289 00:11:12,255 --> 00:11:14,757 with the same box office pedigree following 290 00:11:14,883 --> 00:11:16,885 a real American disaster. 291 00:11:16,885 --> 00:11:18,845 You're only as good as your last picture. 292 00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:20,972 No, not Pearl Harbor , 293 00:11:20,972 --> 00:11:22,932 but Spielberg's movie about it. 294 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:25,768 Steven had just done 1941 . 295 00:11:25,894 --> 00:11:27,395 Madness. 296 00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:30,899 1941 was a catastrophe for going over budget. 297 00:11:30,899 --> 00:11:33,443 But Steven's penchant for going over budget 298 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:35,111 wouldn't be the deal breaker. 299 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:36,988 The deal would be the deal breaker. 300 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:39,866 George said, you pay for it and I own it. 301 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:41,993 George Lucas owns the negative. 302 00:11:42,118 --> 00:11:43,453 He owns merchandising, 303 00:11:43,453 --> 00:11:46,206 he owns everything, and he has control. 304 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:51,419 We had four pictures that Steranko the artist conceptualized 305 00:11:51,628 --> 00:11:54,214 and I went out to several of the studios 306 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:56,132 with the four pictures and the script. 307 00:11:56,132 --> 00:11:58,134 The first was Fox. 308 00:11:58,259 --> 00:11:59,844 Who would say no to the director 309 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:01,930 of the biggest blockbuster of all time? 310 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,848 Fox had done Star Wars . 311 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:05,767 So Howard and Co were not surprised 312 00:12:05,892 --> 00:12:08,686 by Fox Head, Alan Ladd Jr's, reaction. 313 00:12:08,812 --> 00:12:10,772 And he said, "This is a great picture." 314 00:12:10,897 --> 00:12:12,190 It was a yes. 315 00:12:12,190 --> 00:12:14,025 Mmm... No. 316 00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:18,071 Alan Ladd was basically on his way out. 317 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:21,407 He said, "I would say yes, but I have no control here." 318 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:23,326 Ultimately Fox said no. 319 00:12:23,326 --> 00:12:25,370 But George had other friends. 320 00:12:25,495 --> 00:12:28,832 Because George had done American Graffiti at Universal. 321 00:12:28,957 --> 00:12:31,918 And I took it to Ned Tannon, who I knew well. 322 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:34,129 He sounds approachable. 323 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,255 {\an8}Ned Tannon. 324 00:12:36,923 --> 00:12:39,217 Monday morning he handed me the script 325 00:12:39,217 --> 00:12:40,802 and he says, 326 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:44,848 "Take the Germans out of the picture." 327 00:12:45,557 --> 00:12:47,267 And I just looked at him. 328 00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:50,311 My brain is going, "Take the Germans out?" 329 00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:53,773 And he said, "It won't do well in Germany." 330 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:55,567 If we refuse? 331 00:12:55,567 --> 00:12:58,486 It was difficult to understand why studios were saying no, 332 00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:01,948 when you have George Lucas and a Steven Spielberg. 333 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:04,117 They were very powerful filmmakers 334 00:13:04,242 --> 00:13:06,035 because their films had made so much money. 335 00:13:06,035 --> 00:13:08,788 We were only asking for $20 million. 336 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:11,166 When films were costing more than that. 337 00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:13,251 But Howard had at least one last door 338 00:13:13,376 --> 00:13:14,419 that he could knock on. 339 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:16,171 We went to Paramount. 340 00:13:16,171 --> 00:13:18,047 Paramount head, Michael Eisner, 341 00:13:18,047 --> 00:13:20,133 was among the many executives not thrilled 342 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:21,801 about Lucas's terms. 343 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,428 Eisner didn't like the deal 344 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:25,263 and it had been the worst deal ever offered him, 345 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:27,265 or probably any studio. 346 00:13:27,265 --> 00:13:29,058 So naturally he took it. 347 00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:31,227 And they said, yes. 348 00:13:31,227 --> 00:13:32,979 There's nothing to fear here. 349 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:35,607 Sounds too good to be true. 350 00:13:35,607 --> 00:13:37,150 That's what scares me. 351 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:38,985 Paramount wanted insurance 352 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:41,446 for any potential booby traps laid by the Lucas deal. 353 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:43,406 So there was a catch. 354 00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:47,327 As long as it was $20 million. 355 00:13:47,452 --> 00:13:50,330 Any overage is paid by Lucasfilm, 356 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:53,374 because Steven did not have a good track record 357 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:55,251 about coming in on budget. 358 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:58,505 {\an8}And avoiding another 1941 scale disaster 359 00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:00,048 was all on Howard. 360 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:01,841 'Cause you break everything down. 361 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,886 Every car, every airplane, every actor, 362 00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:06,513 everything is detailed. 363 00:14:06,513 --> 00:14:08,473 But as Howard crunched the numbers, 364 00:14:08,598 --> 00:14:11,184 one idea for the finale stood out 365 00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:14,020 and nearly threatened to sink the entire film. 366 00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:18,858 The sequence of boarding the submarine. 367 00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:22,445 Originally, the submarine goes underwater. 368 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:25,031 A door opens up underwater 369 00:14:25,156 --> 00:14:27,659 and arrives in a volcano. 370 00:14:27,659 --> 00:14:30,370 But a volcano on this budget? 371 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:31,996 Basically impossible to do. 372 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:33,331 It was too expensive. 373 00:14:33,456 --> 00:14:35,250 And it changed. 374 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:37,168 With his own money on the line for overages, 375 00:14:37,168 --> 00:14:40,296 George Lucas wasn't relying on the bonds of friendship. 376 00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:43,508 Georgia had told Steven, you shoot it like a B picture. 377 00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:47,387 George told Steven, if he brings the picture in on budget, 378 00:14:47,512 --> 00:14:50,974 "I will give you a $500,000 bonus." 379 00:14:50,974 --> 00:14:53,268 Spielberg's reputation for largess 380 00:14:53,268 --> 00:14:55,645 hung over the budget for every department. 381 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:58,022 Steven had said, you know, Deborah, 382 00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:00,066 we're making a B movie. 383 00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:03,319 Okay, we're making a B movie. I get it. 384 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,071 To keep the studio at bay, 385 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:08,241 Howard saw fit to deploy a little subterfuge. 386 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:10,910 Paramount said, how many days are you gonna shoot it in? 387 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,620 And I told them 85. 388 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,915 The real number was 73. 389 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:17,375 By scheduling extra days 390 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,210 and hopefully shooting fewer, 391 00:15:19,335 --> 00:15:21,588 the production would appear to be coming in under. 392 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:25,383 Steven knew of the 73, and he liked that idea. 393 00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:27,302 While Howard was trying to work out how 394 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:28,386 to pay for this film. 395 00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:30,388 {\an8}Howard was the enforcer. 396 00:15:30,388 --> 00:15:33,099 {\an8}He had this walk softly and carry a big stick attitude. 397 00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,684 George and Steven were still trying 398 00:15:34,684 --> 00:15:38,062 to work out who to pay as in who to cast. 399 00:15:38,062 --> 00:15:41,024 George and Steven interviewed a lot of actors 400 00:15:41,024 --> 00:15:42,609 to play Indiana. 401 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:44,360 In a parallel universe, Indiana Jones 402 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,446 could have been the actor Tim Matheson. 403 00:15:46,446 --> 00:15:49,032 Trust me, it'll never get that far. 404 00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:51,618 Or can you imagine Nick Nolte? 405 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,037 Maybe you don't know what the hell you're talking about. 406 00:15:54,162 --> 00:15:55,497 How about Chevy Chase? 407 00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:58,208 A very qualified acupuncturist. 408 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,960 In the end, Lucas found his man. 409 00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:02,378 George came up to me once. 410 00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:03,546 He had a headshot of an actor. 411 00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:05,089 He said, "We found our Indiana." 412 00:16:05,089 --> 00:16:08,384 {\an8}Definitely not Harrison Ford. 413 00:16:08,718 --> 00:16:10,053 Tom Selleck. 414 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:14,307 Tom Selleck was set to play Indiana Jones. 415 00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:16,351 The team, can't split up the team. 416 00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:18,478 {\an8}With the leading man locked in, 417 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:21,397 attention shifted to finding his counterpart. 418 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:24,234 {\an8}We also saw tons of people. 419 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:26,444 They needed someone with some fight in her. 420 00:16:26,569 --> 00:16:29,531 In the screenplay she was a spitfire. 421 00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,366 They wanted an equal. 422 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:33,326 Spielberg had his eye on a young actress 423 00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:36,079 who already had a reputation as a spitfire. 424 00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:39,791 {\an8}He flew me out. I auditioned with Tom Selleck. 425 00:16:39,791 --> 00:16:41,417 - Why start now? - Just shut up! 426 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:43,378 Shut up and listen to me. 427 00:16:43,378 --> 00:16:45,672 Sean had been making waves on the East Coast. 428 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:48,466 And I was working on Jane Austen in Manhattan. 429 00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:50,260 I mean, once you found someone. 430 00:16:50,385 --> 00:16:53,012 And Steven asked to see the footage 431 00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:54,806 that had been shot on me. 432 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:59,185 Steven said to me that I was "too raw" is what he called it. 433 00:16:59,185 --> 00:17:01,771 And so it came down to Debra Winger. 434 00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:04,566 Debra Winger was Steven's first choice. 435 00:17:04,566 --> 00:17:06,276 Who would not screen-test. 436 00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:08,444 The thought of it just makes me wanna puke. 437 00:17:08,444 --> 00:17:10,113 - But-- - She wasn't available. 438 00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:11,614 That's all I need. 439 00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:14,325 Amy Irvin was also in the frame. 440 00:17:14,451 --> 00:17:17,662 Amy Irving, you know this beautiful young woman. 441 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,497 But just as casting focused 442 00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:21,082 on solving one problem. 443 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:23,209 Who should play Marion? 444 00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:26,462 The solution to the original casting conundrum 445 00:17:26,462 --> 00:17:28,089 turned back into a problem. 446 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:30,258 Tom Selleck suddenly was not available. 447 00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,051 A big one. 448 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,220 And all of a sudden there was no Tom Selleck. 449 00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:39,517 Actor Tom Selleck was set 450 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:41,352 to become Indiana Jones. 451 00:17:41,352 --> 00:17:44,314 Sometimes everything goes exactly as planned. 452 00:17:44,314 --> 00:17:45,398 {\an8}George came and said, "You know what? 453 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:47,400 {\an8}"We can't get Tom Selleck." 454 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,069 He was signed to Universal. 455 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,656 And he is contractually obligated on Magnum P.I . 456 00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:55,700 And fate just wouldn't do that to me. 457 00:17:55,825 --> 00:17:58,703 Yet Tom Selleck had chosen a Ferrari 458 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:00,246 over a fedora. 459 00:18:00,497 --> 00:18:03,249 {\an8}And the producer Glen Larson 460 00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:05,210 didn't wanna release him. 461 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:07,170 Universal wasn't giving up 462 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:11,090 TV's most famous mustache because Selleck just happened 463 00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:13,092 to be caught up in a much bigger battle. 464 00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:15,303 Lucasfilm and Fox... 465 00:18:15,303 --> 00:18:17,722 In fact, you could say it was a Battlestar. 466 00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:21,643 ...was suing Universal or Battlestar Galactica, 467 00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:25,772 'cause they felt there was a ripoff of Star Wars . 468 00:18:25,897 --> 00:18:27,440 But Howard wasn't giving up. 469 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,400 With an actors strike looming, 470 00:18:29,526 --> 00:18:31,361 Raiders planned to shoot in the UK, 471 00:18:31,361 --> 00:18:34,697 and that gave Howard one last card to play. 472 00:18:34,697 --> 00:18:39,202 And we said, we're gonna be shooting the film in London, 473 00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:42,539 not SAG, but under Equity. 474 00:18:42,539 --> 00:18:44,916 That would allow Selleck to work in the UK 475 00:18:44,916 --> 00:18:46,584 while the strike hit LA. 476 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:50,088 The answer was no. Geez. 477 00:18:50,255 --> 00:18:52,799 So we still need an Indiana Jones. 478 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:54,592 With Tom driving off into 479 00:18:54,592 --> 00:18:57,428 the Hawaiian sunset, casting continued, 480 00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:00,849 and so did the no's coming from the first choice talent. 481 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:02,267 Danny DeVito. 482 00:19:02,267 --> 00:19:03,643 I'm Louie De Palma. 483 00:19:03,768 --> 00:19:06,271 Was the first choice for Sallah. 484 00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:07,480 We couldn't afford him. 485 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,315 Don't you wish! 486 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:12,318 Jonathan Rhys-Davies was cast as Sallah. 487 00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:15,530 I knew the Germans would hire you, Sallah. 488 00:19:15,530 --> 00:19:17,407 But the producers were forced 489 00:19:17,407 --> 00:19:21,703 to take a punt on untested talent like Alfred Molina. 490 00:19:22,954 --> 00:19:24,747 Poison is still fresh three days. 491 00:19:24,873 --> 00:19:27,167 Ronald Lacey was menacing. 492 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:28,793 Good evening, Fraulein. 493 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:30,420 Was the character Toht. 494 00:19:30,962 --> 00:19:32,463 Heil Hitler. 495 00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:34,465 But for his chief of menace... 496 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:36,759 I have the perfect man for this kind of work. 497 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:38,720 {\an8}...Spielberg cast a favorite 498 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,182 {\an8}of one of his favorite directors, Stanley Kubrick. 499 00:19:42,182 --> 00:19:44,934 My first film was Barry Lyndon, 500 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,186 the Stanley Kubrick. 501 00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:47,770 I am at your disposal. 502 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:52,150 And Steven knows all his films. It was a wonderful script 503 00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:55,820 and even had some humor as well. 504 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:57,906 My feeling exactly. 505 00:19:57,906 --> 00:20:01,242 For the role of Indiana's rival, Belloq, 506 00:20:02,285 --> 00:20:04,412 Steven trusted his instincts. 507 00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:06,539 I think he said there was something untrustworthy 508 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:08,500 {\an8}about my eyes. 509 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,544 {\an8}The eyes headed for British actor Paul Freeman. 510 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:14,506 I wasn't offended as long as I got the job. 511 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,759 Casting assistant, Marci Liroff 512 00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:19,344 {\an8}was still trying to put together 513 00:20:19,469 --> 00:20:21,346 {\an8}the right combination of leads. 514 00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:24,349 It was more like a chemistry coupling. 515 00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:26,601 And to concoct the perfect recipe-- 516 00:20:26,601 --> 00:20:28,645 We had this big wide open kitchen. 517 00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:32,232 It was part of Lucas Film's headquarters, 518 00:20:32,357 --> 00:20:33,900 known as the Egg Company. 519 00:20:34,025 --> 00:20:36,277 Great offices. Beautiful offices. 520 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:38,363 Perfect for Marci's casting. 521 00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:41,866 I would couple a guy and a gal and have them cook. 522 00:20:41,866 --> 00:20:43,576 We'd be watching their chemistry. 523 00:20:43,701 --> 00:20:45,370 One of the first cooks in the kitchen 524 00:20:45,495 --> 00:20:48,748 was a woman who had just one movie under her belt. 525 00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:49,999 Hanging around with a bunch of animals 526 00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:51,376 getting drunk every weekend. 527 00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:52,877 But it was a hit. 528 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:55,255 {\an8}In Animal House, I knew nothing. 529 00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:57,715 {\an8}I'd never met an actor who had been in a film. 530 00:20:57,841 --> 00:21:00,844 I had never met a single human being who had been in a film. 531 00:21:00,844 --> 00:21:03,555 And then I got a call to audition. 532 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,889 It was gonna be a screen test. 533 00:21:04,889 --> 00:21:06,933 I'd never done a screen test before. 534 00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:09,227 I've learned to hate you in these last 10 years, 535 00:21:09,352 --> 00:21:10,895 but no matter how much I hated you, 536 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:13,231 I always knew someday you'd come through this door. 537 00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,400 And I remember him handing me the script 538 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,570 and seeing the title Raiders of the Lost Ark 539 00:21:18,695 --> 00:21:21,239 and thinking, well, that's not a very good title 540 00:21:21,364 --> 00:21:22,949 for a film. 541 00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:24,659 Karen hated the title, 542 00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:26,619 but when it came to her character. 543 00:21:26,744 --> 00:21:29,372 I loved Marion Ravenwood. 544 00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:32,792 I thought this is one of the best introductions 545 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:33,877 to a character. 546 00:21:34,002 --> 00:21:35,628 Must have slipped his mind. 547 00:21:35,753 --> 00:21:37,380 That kind of fierceness 548 00:21:37,505 --> 00:21:39,424 and a sort of independence. 549 00:21:41,551 --> 00:21:44,053 A strength of character and a, 550 00:21:44,053 --> 00:21:46,472 you know, what people call feistiness. 551 00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:48,892 Nobody tells me what to do in my place. 552 00:21:48,892 --> 00:21:50,935 Karen seemed to be perfect. 553 00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:52,770 But remember this depended on... 554 00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:54,314 Chemistry. 555 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,732 But chemistry with whom? 556 00:21:55,732 --> 00:21:57,650 We didn't have a leading man. 557 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,819 For Howard, it was as simple as two words. 558 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,489 Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. 559 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:05,658 Harrison Ford would be a perfect Indiana Jones. 560 00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:06,993 But time was running out 561 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:08,661 to convince Spielberg and Lucas. 562 00:22:08,787 --> 00:22:10,788 So I arranged a couple days later 563 00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:14,125 for Harrison, George, Steven, and myself 564 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:16,961 to meet when I suggested why don't we have dinner? 565 00:22:16,961 --> 00:22:20,423 I wanted George, and especially Steven, 566 00:22:20,423 --> 00:22:23,635 just to see Harrison Ford, hear his voice. 567 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,761 Hello, Marion. 568 00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:26,554 Look into his face. 569 00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:28,723 Dinner was scheduled and Harrison Ford 570 00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,600 was on the menu. 571 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,810 And I said, "Well, what'd you think about Harrison?" 572 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,562 And there was silence. 573 00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,022 Spielberg was about to make one 574 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:38,691 of the biggest calls in his directing career. 575 00:22:38,817 --> 00:22:40,610 And Steven said, "Look..." 576 00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:42,445 By not making the call. 577 00:22:42,445 --> 00:22:46,449 "George, you pick Indiana Jones 578 00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:48,910 "and I'll pick the leading lady." 579 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:51,788 Steven picked Karen Allen. 580 00:22:51,788 --> 00:22:54,666 I'm your Goddamn partner! 581 00:22:54,791 --> 00:22:56,960 And George's picked for Indy? 582 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,629 George said, "Harrison Ford." 583 00:22:59,629 --> 00:23:03,716 {\an8}Steven called me and said, "It's gonna be Harrison." 584 00:23:03,842 --> 00:23:06,469 {\an8}So in comes Harrison. 585 00:23:06,594 --> 00:23:08,847 {\an8}The news of Harrison signing rippled 586 00:23:08,847 --> 00:23:09,973 through the production. 587 00:23:09,973 --> 00:23:11,516 We're devastated. 588 00:23:12,517 --> 00:23:14,435 Every woman in the office. 589 00:23:15,478 --> 00:23:18,648 Because Harrison shuffles in. 590 00:23:18,648 --> 00:23:22,068 He had a quality of diffidence, 591 00:23:22,193 --> 00:23:24,988 of shyness, introspection. 592 00:23:25,488 --> 00:23:28,658 This is our hero? This guy? 593 00:23:28,658 --> 00:23:31,744 {\an8}Harrison, as a leading man? Who knew? 594 00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:33,496 Howard knew. 595 00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:37,083 If he isn't Indiana Jones, tell me who is. 596 00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:39,169 It's not like he hadn't been in other movies, 597 00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:42,547 but always as ensemble actor. 598 00:23:42,547 --> 00:23:44,549 But there was no time for naval gazing. 599 00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:48,428 The whole production pivoted towards its leading man. 600 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:49,554 - Jones. - It was 601 00:23:49,554 --> 00:23:50,847 a whole new advert. 602 00:23:50,847 --> 00:23:52,056 Jones! 603 00:23:52,056 --> 00:23:53,683 The jackets that I made 604 00:23:53,683 --> 00:23:57,020 for Tom Selleck were these crummy jackets, 605 00:23:57,020 --> 00:23:58,980 and we threw all of those out. 606 00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:02,734 And I had to remake all of them for Harrison. 607 00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:04,736 Still, to be found, 608 00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:08,156 an even more crucial item that needed to fit just right. 609 00:24:12,535 --> 00:24:13,995 With the jacket scrapped, 610 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,789 the wardrobe team faced a new dilemma. 611 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,124 Was the hat next? 612 00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:20,543 Harrison comes in for his fitting. 613 00:24:20,543 --> 00:24:24,964 And we take these boxes and I empty them at his feet. 614 00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:28,134 He is now knee-deep in fedoras. 615 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:31,095 He puts one on and he puts another one on. 616 00:24:31,095 --> 00:24:33,765 Still nothing sat just right. 617 00:24:33,765 --> 00:24:35,808 And I went to Herbert Johnson, 618 00:24:35,934 --> 00:24:40,146 and they had something called their Australian model, 619 00:24:40,271 --> 00:24:42,816 which sort of looked okay. 620 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:44,734 I essentially redesigned it. 621 00:24:44,734 --> 00:24:46,444 Harrison Ford was very happy 622 00:24:46,569 --> 00:24:48,446 to talk about his look. 623 00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:50,907 Your appearance is exactly the way I imagined. 624 00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,785 But when it came to his character, 625 00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:55,578 he was keeping mum. 626 00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:58,164 Coming from the theater we rehearse a lot. 627 00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:00,125 We talk things through a lot. 628 00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:02,126 We talk through scenes. 629 00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:06,005 I remember trying to talk a little bit to him about the film 630 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,799 and the characters. 631 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:12,762 And he said to me, "I don't talk to other actors 632 00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:17,517 "about the characters and the story." 633 00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:20,603 So I had to make a big adjustment. 634 00:25:20,603 --> 00:25:22,230 But Harrison Ford was looking 635 00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:25,567 to make his own adjustments to the film script. 636 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:29,612 {\an8}Steven wanted to have a script conference with George. 637 00:25:29,737 --> 00:25:33,199 He wants Indiana Jones to be an alcoholic. 638 00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:37,620 I like some complication in the characters that I play. 639 00:25:38,872 --> 00:25:40,248 And Steven, you know, 640 00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:41,833 has to listen to his actors, of course. 641 00:25:41,958 --> 00:25:43,209 But I was against it. 642 00:25:43,209 --> 00:25:45,753 I just didn't see it in this movie. 643 00:25:45,753 --> 00:25:46,796 Not for the first time 644 00:25:46,921 --> 00:25:49,007 in George Lucas's career-- 645 00:25:49,007 --> 00:25:50,967 Marcia speaks up. 646 00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:53,136 The movie is about an archaeologist 647 00:25:53,261 --> 00:25:54,721 who's a college professor. 648 00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:57,891 Hired by the federal government. 649 00:25:57,891 --> 00:25:59,976 This is all strictly confidential. 650 00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:02,604 To find this Ark of the Covenant before the Nazis get it. 651 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:04,731 I'm gonna blow up the Ark, Rene. 652 00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:07,567 And you think they're gonna hire an alcoholic? 653 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,110 I don't know. Whatever I said worked. 654 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:11,571 Because Harrison did not get to play an alcoholic. 655 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,116 While Indiana was sober... 656 00:26:15,116 --> 00:26:16,993 Whiskey! 657 00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,161 ...the fee paid to Harrison Ford was enough 658 00:26:18,161 --> 00:26:20,079 to drive any producer to drink. 659 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,290 Why? Are you willing to offer more? 660 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,667 Well now Harrison is locked in. 661 00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:29,214 Harrison is being paid more than our original budget. 662 00:26:29,214 --> 00:26:33,927 $20 million to do the movie, period. 663 00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:35,762 At half a million dollars, 664 00:26:35,762 --> 00:26:38,640 Ford was getting five times what was budgeted. 665 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,892 So now I have to take things out 666 00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,186 of various other departments. 667 00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:47,106 And here was this miniature plane with four engines. 668 00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:48,900 It was a model for 669 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,194 a full-sized German flying wing and building it 670 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,947 was costing even more than Harrison Ford. 671 00:26:53,947 --> 00:26:57,283 It's a million dollars. I don't have it in the budget. 672 00:26:57,408 --> 00:26:58,618 He says, "What do you have in the budget?" 673 00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:00,119 I said, "700,000." 674 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,873 He picks it up, grabs it like this, and he... 675 00:27:03,873 --> 00:27:07,252 And he breaks wings and outer two engines off. 676 00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:10,213 And he says, "Now how expensive is it?" 677 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:12,757 And I said, "It's in the budget." 678 00:27:12,882 --> 00:27:14,300 Cameras were all set to roll 679 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,720 in June of 1980 on the west coast of France. 680 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,598 Finally, Harrison Ford was all dressed up 681 00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:22,892 with somewhere to go, until-- 682 00:27:23,017 --> 00:27:25,270 George and I were walking the sets 683 00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:27,313 before the Monday shoot. 684 00:27:27,439 --> 00:27:31,276 And George said, "Oh, I haven't seen Harrison's jacket, 685 00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:32,986 "the leather jacket." 686 00:27:32,986 --> 00:27:36,948 So I brought it in my own luggage from London. 687 00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:38,700 And she says, "Oh, it's right here." 688 00:27:38,825 --> 00:27:40,994 And he says, "That's not what I want." 689 00:27:42,287 --> 00:27:44,831 "Find a store and buy me a bomber jacket." 690 00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:46,624 But if it was that easy, 691 00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,626 you wouldn't need costume designers. 692 00:27:48,751 --> 00:27:53,173 It wasn't a jacket that you could buy off the rack. 693 00:27:53,298 --> 00:27:55,633 Instead, Deborah made it work. 694 00:27:55,633 --> 00:27:57,844 I designed it and I custom-made it. 695 00:27:57,844 --> 00:27:59,929 Like a fine wine. 696 00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:02,348 It was all about the aging process. 697 00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:05,310 I literally aged it the night before 698 00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:08,021 we shot at La Rochelle in the submarine. 699 00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:11,649 And that's the one we opened the picture with. 700 00:28:11,775 --> 00:28:12,859 It's lovely. 701 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:14,694 And Harrison wasn't 702 00:28:14,819 --> 00:28:17,197 the only cast member dealing with costume troubles. 703 00:28:17,322 --> 00:28:18,781 It's beautiful. 704 00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:21,034 Belloq gives Marion the white dress. 705 00:28:21,159 --> 00:28:22,952 I would very much like to see you in it. 706 00:28:22,952 --> 00:28:24,621 That's not a dress that Marion 707 00:28:24,621 --> 00:28:26,664 would ever have chosen for herself. 708 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:27,957 She puts it on. 709 00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:29,709 All right. 710 00:28:29,709 --> 00:28:33,713 All I knew at the time is I hate this dress. 711 00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:35,298 Yeah, she, yeah. 712 00:28:35,298 --> 00:28:38,092 Every time I put it on, I was like... 713 00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:40,386 She was not having that ballgown. 714 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:43,139 I have a big bow on my butt. 715 00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:51,815 It was like this big fruffly thing and I was just like, ugh. 716 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:52,982 Ha! Ha! 717 00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:55,819 Karen's struggle with Marion's dress, 718 00:28:55,944 --> 00:28:56,986 went straight to the top. 719 00:28:56,986 --> 00:28:59,364 Nobody cared what I thought. 720 00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:01,407 It was made very clear to me. 721 00:29:01,407 --> 00:29:04,244 It was Lucas's call on the dress. 722 00:29:04,244 --> 00:29:09,415 George was the creative eye for the costumes. 723 00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:13,002 He was immovable. 724 00:29:13,002 --> 00:29:14,295 And it worked for the character, 725 00:29:14,295 --> 00:29:16,756 actually for me to hate that dress. 726 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:18,925 Production designer Norman Reynolds 727 00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:21,427 quickly found out he had a much bigger problem 728 00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:22,762 than a frumpy dress. 729 00:29:22,762 --> 00:29:24,430 My cabin is theirs. 730 00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:27,183 Norman Reynolds found the Bantu Wind 731 00:29:27,308 --> 00:29:30,061 and he found out that the Egyptians 732 00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:32,730 who owned the boat had just painted it 733 00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:35,400 to make it look sparkling clean. 734 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,112 That's exactly opposite of what everybody wanted. 735 00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:41,781 And Norman was going crazy saying, 736 00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:44,075 "What happened to my boat?" 737 00:29:44,075 --> 00:29:47,370 So we got a crew out there and aged the boat down. 738 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,873 The boat was just one big ticket item 739 00:29:49,873 --> 00:29:52,459 threatening to blow out the art department's budget. 740 00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:55,044 - What's happening? - We have most important friends. 741 00:29:55,044 --> 00:29:58,715 The submarine we had researched was built 742 00:29:58,715 --> 00:30:00,216 for Das Boot. 743 00:30:00,216 --> 00:30:02,510 But getting a submarine secondhand 744 00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:04,345 definitely helped keep costs down. 745 00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:05,847 {\an8}It was actually not a submarine, 746 00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:08,141 it was a submarine based on barges. 747 00:30:08,141 --> 00:30:09,767 Whatever it was, 748 00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:12,145 it was seaworthy, but only to a point. 749 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:15,064 Got in a small motorboat to be taken out 750 00:30:15,064 --> 00:30:17,317 {\an8}to this model submarine, which was bobbing 751 00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:20,445 {\an8}around in the waves and was very unseaworthy. 752 00:30:20,445 --> 00:30:22,864 So it was moving the whole time. 753 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:24,491 They said, you can't take it out 754 00:30:24,491 --> 00:30:26,951 in swells over 12 feet high. 755 00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,329 And actually the swells were higher than 12 feet. 756 00:30:29,329 --> 00:30:31,748 Several people got seasick. 757 00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:34,959 Finally, on set and climbing into her role, 758 00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:37,003 Karen discovered she had enrolled 759 00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:38,922 in an actor's finishing school, 760 00:30:39,047 --> 00:30:41,090 and Harrison Ford was her teacher. 761 00:30:41,216 --> 00:30:44,177 {\an8}I learned a lot from him because he had a lot 762 00:30:44,177 --> 00:30:46,513 of experience working technically 763 00:30:46,513 --> 00:30:49,140 in front of a camera, which I did not. 764 00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:50,517 Now maybe 'cause she was nervous, 765 00:30:50,517 --> 00:30:52,477 she didn't understand what to do. 766 00:30:52,602 --> 00:30:56,147 I'd only done three films and a miniseries for television. 767 00:30:56,147 --> 00:30:59,442 So I was very new to this world. 768 00:30:59,442 --> 00:31:01,986 Steven worked very hard with her. 769 00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:04,280 And many times Steven would sit 770 00:31:04,405 --> 00:31:07,325 at that little table where they were drinking 771 00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:09,494 and he would say, you pick up the glass 772 00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:11,329 and you drink it and you do this. 773 00:31:11,329 --> 00:31:14,332 That introduction was tough for her. 774 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:17,335 Just by watching Harrison work, 775 00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:22,048 I was learning a lot about that relationship, thank God. 776 00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:24,008 But Karen would still find ways 777 00:31:24,008 --> 00:31:26,386 to bring her own experience to the film. 778 00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:28,847 In the original script, as I remember, 779 00:31:28,847 --> 00:31:32,308 the suggestion was that Marion 780 00:31:32,433 --> 00:31:37,480 does have some sort of romantic liaison with Belloq. 781 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,191 Marion, you are beautiful. 782 00:31:40,316 --> 00:31:43,862 I kept thinking this scene doesn't work. 783 00:31:43,987 --> 00:31:46,322 Karen immediately marched over to her director. 784 00:31:46,448 --> 00:31:49,868 And I kept sort of annoying Steven 785 00:31:49,868 --> 00:31:51,870 by sort of pointing this out. 786 00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:53,121 And he knew Karen and I 787 00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:54,998 are both theater actors originally. 788 00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:56,916 "Well, if you guys can come up 789 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,418 "with something better, we'll shoot it." 790 00:31:58,543 --> 00:32:00,128 And we're perfectly happy 791 00:32:00,128 --> 00:32:01,379 to rehearse it and go away and improvise. 792 00:32:01,379 --> 00:32:02,463 You pour. 793 00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:04,090 This was all 794 00:32:04,215 --> 00:32:06,050 a seasoned theater actress needed to hear. 795 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:09,053 And we came up with this idea, 796 00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,514 she's now gonna get him drunk. 797 00:32:13,391 --> 00:32:15,185 And she's gonna escape. 798 00:32:15,185 --> 00:32:18,646 Steven was delighted with what we'd shown him. 799 00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:20,148 It's great. We'll do it that way. 800 00:32:20,148 --> 00:32:22,317 Didn't ask us to alter anything. 801 00:32:22,317 --> 00:32:24,277 Harrison wasn't one for devising 802 00:32:24,277 --> 00:32:26,029 like his co-stars, 803 00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:28,198 but he was about to inject a touch of himself 804 00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:32,118 into one of cinema's most unforgettable props. 805 00:32:34,162 --> 00:32:36,456 As the crew geared up to shoot an action scene 806 00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:38,249 for Indiana Jones, 807 00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:40,502 the leading man had a spark of inspiration. 808 00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:42,378 Marion! 809 00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:46,966 {\an8}We're about to shoot the Arab with the sword. 810 00:32:48,301 --> 00:32:50,053 {\an8}They rehearsed the fight, 811 00:32:50,053 --> 00:32:52,263 {\an8}and then overnight, Harrison got really ill 812 00:32:52,388 --> 00:32:53,973 {\an8}with dysentery. 813 00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:55,600 And when he arrived on set, he couldn't do it. 814 00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:57,310 Throughout the entire picture, 815 00:32:57,310 --> 00:33:00,939 I take my whip out and I fight the bad guys. 816 00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:06,111 And he said, "Why don't I just shoot the fucker?" 817 00:33:06,111 --> 00:33:10,115 And Steven says, "All right, we shoot the shorter version." 818 00:33:12,325 --> 00:33:16,412 And then George said, "Wait, well what happened to the scene 819 00:33:16,412 --> 00:33:19,624 "with the Arab fighting Indiana Jones?" 820 00:33:19,624 --> 00:33:23,294 We go back and we shoot what's in the script. 821 00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:26,131 Now Steven seems to be wondering 822 00:33:26,256 --> 00:33:28,591 if that was the right direction to go. 823 00:33:28,591 --> 00:33:30,426 The actors certainly had agency 824 00:33:30,426 --> 00:33:32,136 on Spielberg's set. 825 00:33:32,262 --> 00:33:34,931 Indy, why does the floor move? 826 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:36,975 But there were other performers 827 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,935 who would have their say too. 828 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:40,436 Then we did the snake pit. 829 00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:42,313 Snakes. 830 00:33:42,439 --> 00:33:44,149 Why did it have to be snakes? 831 00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:46,609 It wasn't the most relaxing set in the world. 832 00:33:46,609 --> 00:33:47,944 Asps. 833 00:33:47,944 --> 00:33:49,320 There were pythons on the set 834 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,406 that were quite aggressive. 835 00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:53,950 And dangerous. 836 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:55,410 How dangerous? 837 00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:56,536 Very dangerous. 838 00:33:58,371 --> 00:33:59,956 You go first. 839 00:33:59,956 --> 00:34:03,042 We needed an ambulance out the stage door 840 00:34:03,168 --> 00:34:05,086 and on the stage, a gurney 841 00:34:05,211 --> 00:34:08,089 with a hypodermic needle actually injected 842 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:09,382 into the serum. 843 00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:10,633 I told you it would be all right. 844 00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,218 If you get it quick enough 845 00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:14,220 I guess you can save somebody's life. 846 00:34:14,345 --> 00:34:16,472 But who wants to go there? 847 00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:19,017 Dangerous animals were the warm-up. 848 00:34:19,017 --> 00:34:22,228 What happened next could have been catastrophic. 849 00:34:22,353 --> 00:34:27,233 When Harrison swings into the water to get on the biplane, 850 00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:31,321 the biplane takes off with Harrison Ford. 851 00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:33,448 You could hear the zzz... 852 00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:37,202 I hear the plane crash 853 00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,245 and my heart crashed with it. 854 00:34:39,245 --> 00:34:40,914 I couldn't get down the river 855 00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:44,501 and all I could do was to yell to our security, 856 00:34:44,501 --> 00:34:47,378 get down there and see what happened. 857 00:34:48,338 --> 00:34:49,631 And then it was all silent. 858 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,385 And then on a walkie-talkie, "Everything's okay. 859 00:34:54,385 --> 00:34:55,720 "Harrison is laughing." 860 00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:59,015 He was laughing. 861 00:34:59,015 --> 00:35:01,935 {\an8}They pushed the door open, pushing a door open on a plane, 862 00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:05,688 {\an8}doing 9,000 miles an hour acts as a wind break. 863 00:35:05,814 --> 00:35:07,690 Just pulled the lever on the engine 864 00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:09,943 and just went straight into the mangoes. 865 00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:11,736 That was my worst day. 866 00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:15,156 May have been my worst day of all the pictures I've done. 867 00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:17,534 Thankfully, principal photography was wrapped. 868 00:35:17,534 --> 00:35:20,411 {\an8}But visual effects supervisor, Richard Edlund, 869 00:35:20,537 --> 00:35:22,747 {\an8}still needed to find himself some Nazis. 870 00:35:22,747 --> 00:35:25,416 I had to cast Marin County Nazis. 871 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,086 That wasn't so easy in 1981. 872 00:35:28,086 --> 00:35:31,965 This was for the wrath of God sequence, because remember-- 873 00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,591 We could only shoot the long shots. 874 00:35:33,591 --> 00:35:36,469 So I wound up having to shoot all of the closeups 875 00:35:36,594 --> 00:35:38,471 of the Nazis getting. 876 00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:42,267 Also on Richard's to-do list, 877 00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:45,311 a small matter of making sure the Nazis lost face. 878 00:35:45,436 --> 00:35:46,437 {\an8}The deaths. 879 00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:49,607 {\an8}Our deaths. 880 00:35:49,607 --> 00:35:51,276 Shut your eyes, Marion. 881 00:35:51,401 --> 00:35:52,735 Don't look at it no matter what happens. 882 00:35:52,735 --> 00:35:55,405 I think I had probably the biggest closeup 883 00:35:55,405 --> 00:35:57,073 in the whole movie. 884 00:35:57,073 --> 00:35:58,658 Not quite the biggest closeup, 885 00:35:58,658 --> 00:36:00,452 but certainly unforgettable. 886 00:36:00,452 --> 00:36:02,662 I can't quite remember what happened to my head. 887 00:36:02,787 --> 00:36:04,414 I was going, he's gonna... 888 00:36:04,414 --> 00:36:05,790 Here's a reminder. 889 00:36:05,915 --> 00:36:07,083 Do I melt? 890 00:36:07,083 --> 00:36:08,126 Blow up. 891 00:36:08,126 --> 00:36:09,711 {\an8}I know Wolf melts. 892 00:36:11,296 --> 00:36:13,173 We didn't know what any 893 00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:14,674 of the special effects were gonna be. 894 00:36:14,674 --> 00:36:16,467 Steven would stand there going, 895 00:36:16,593 --> 00:36:19,137 and now you know their faces are melting or whatever. 896 00:36:19,137 --> 00:36:21,347 Of course, the real melting moment 897 00:36:21,347 --> 00:36:23,683 was saved for the nastiest Nazi. 898 00:36:23,808 --> 00:36:26,603 Yes, Ronald Lacey. It was pretty gross. 899 00:36:26,603 --> 00:36:28,146 Thanks to some 900 00:36:28,146 --> 00:36:29,647 excellent practical makeup effects. 901 00:36:29,647 --> 00:36:31,483 This is the analog era. 902 00:36:31,483 --> 00:36:33,651 Chris Walas was a great sculptor 903 00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:37,363 and he basically sculpted a head made 904 00:36:37,489 --> 00:36:41,493 with colored layers, then shot it with heat guns, 905 00:36:41,493 --> 00:36:45,038 time lapse every two seconds of frame, we'd shoot a frame. 906 00:36:45,038 --> 00:36:47,540 And it just worked out really great. 907 00:36:47,665 --> 00:36:49,334 That was the end of the schedule. 908 00:36:49,334 --> 00:36:51,169 And we basically, that was the last thing we did. 909 00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:53,296 And we finished on time and on budget. 910 00:36:53,421 --> 00:36:55,507 Spielberg had achieved 911 00:36:55,507 --> 00:36:57,342 a first in his young career. 912 00:36:57,342 --> 00:37:01,596 Steven got a $500,000 bonus 913 00:37:01,721 --> 00:37:03,806 and George told Steven 914 00:37:03,806 --> 00:37:07,727 to put it towards USCs building program. 915 00:37:07,852 --> 00:37:11,397 And that is why the scoring stage 916 00:37:11,397 --> 00:37:14,192 at USC has Spielberg's name on it. 917 00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:16,319 Everything was now finally in the can, 918 00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:18,404 and Spielberg hit the edit suite. 919 00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:21,157 After several weeks when he had a rough cut, 920 00:37:21,282 --> 00:37:23,660 Steven brings the film up for the first time 921 00:37:23,785 --> 00:37:27,247 for George and I and Marcia to look at it. 922 00:37:27,247 --> 00:37:31,126 I watched it and then the lights came on 923 00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:34,379 and I thought, that's weird. 924 00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:36,256 Something didn't sit right for Marcia 925 00:37:36,256 --> 00:37:37,715 and it wasn't Indy's fedora. 926 00:37:37,841 --> 00:37:39,884 The whole movie's about Indy and Marion 927 00:37:39,884 --> 00:37:42,470 {\an8}and he's saving her and they're having all these adventures 928 00:37:42,595 --> 00:37:44,722 {\an8}and you're gonna leave her tied up on the stick. 929 00:37:44,848 --> 00:37:46,432 The rough cut left Marion 930 00:37:46,432 --> 00:37:48,518 right about here because... 931 00:37:48,643 --> 00:37:52,897 That scene outside the building with Marion and Indy. 932 00:37:52,897 --> 00:37:54,691 - You don't look very happy. - Fools. 933 00:37:54,691 --> 00:37:56,192 Wasn't in the movie. 934 00:37:56,192 --> 00:37:57,610 Steven said, we didn't need that. 935 00:37:57,735 --> 00:37:59,237 "We don't need it. We didn't shoot it." 936 00:37:59,362 --> 00:38:00,738 {\an8}I think that would've been very strange 937 00:38:00,738 --> 00:38:03,241 {\an8}to end the film with her just tied to the stake. 938 00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:06,411 And I stood up and I said, I'm sorry, 939 00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:08,454 but I do have a comment. 940 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:10,540 But you can't leave Marion tied to the stick. 941 00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:11,624 Indy! 942 00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:12,792 Marcia had a point. 943 00:38:12,917 --> 00:38:15,712 Marcia understands story. 944 00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:20,592 George and Steven start thinking about it. 945 00:38:20,592 --> 00:38:21,718 George, "Well, I'll shoot it." 946 00:38:21,718 --> 00:38:22,802 George says, "I'll shoot it." 947 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:24,596 "I'll shoot it second unit." 948 00:38:24,596 --> 00:38:27,223 And so rather than ending here-- 949 00:38:27,223 --> 00:38:30,768 George shot the tag of the picture 950 00:38:30,894 --> 00:38:34,147 with our two leading characters on the stairs. 951 00:38:34,272 --> 00:38:36,316 They have their finale on film. 952 00:38:36,316 --> 00:38:39,235 There was just one last piece to set in place. 953 00:38:39,235 --> 00:38:43,198 Well, after we heard the first main score. 954 00:38:43,198 --> 00:38:46,493 ♪ Indiana Jones theme ♪ 955 00:38:46,618 --> 00:38:48,411 George leans over past me 956 00:38:48,536 --> 00:38:51,498 and he says to Steven, "Sounds like Hogan's Heroes." 957 00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:54,793 ♪ Hogans Heroes theme ♪ 958 00:38:55,668 --> 00:38:56,961 Not the same. 959 00:38:56,961 --> 00:38:58,797 It's nowhere the same. 960 00:38:58,797 --> 00:39:00,840 Steven did not comment. 961 00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,509 Maybe he was fuming. 962 00:39:02,509 --> 00:39:04,594 No other comment. 963 00:39:04,594 --> 00:39:06,304 Well, at least the next scene 964 00:39:06,429 --> 00:39:08,348 would restore his faith in the film. 965 00:39:10,308 --> 00:39:13,353 Steven says, "Well, I thought it worked better this way." 966 00:39:14,687 --> 00:39:15,897 A little bit of silence. 967 00:39:21,277 --> 00:39:23,905 During the first viewing of Indiana Jones, 968 00:39:23,905 --> 00:39:26,908 George's reaction to seeing his street fight 969 00:39:26,908 --> 00:39:29,828 turned into gun play, had Steven worried. 970 00:39:29,828 --> 00:39:31,704 Little bit of silence and Steven says, 971 00:39:31,704 --> 00:39:34,415 "Well, I thought it worked better this way." 972 00:39:34,541 --> 00:39:36,376 Worried because George Lucas 973 00:39:36,376 --> 00:39:37,919 still had final cut. 974 00:39:37,919 --> 00:39:40,630 George puts back the fight 975 00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:44,467 and Steven says, "I think it works better without." 976 00:39:44,467 --> 00:39:46,845 Time to break another stalemate. 977 00:39:46,845 --> 00:39:49,347 He says, "We'll have two screenings, one right 978 00:39:49,347 --> 00:39:51,599 "after each other with a different audience. 979 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,811 "One with the shortened version and the longer version." 980 00:39:54,811 --> 00:39:58,731 Raiders was test screened in May of 1981. 981 00:39:58,857 --> 00:40:00,900 Sitting at the very back of the theater. 982 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,237 And the first is the Steven Spielberg version. 983 00:40:05,447 --> 00:40:08,575 And the audience screams and goes crazy. 984 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,202 And George turned to Steven and says, 985 00:40:11,327 --> 00:40:14,330 "Well, I guess that one works better than the other one." 986 00:40:14,330 --> 00:40:16,458 We never had the second screening. 987 00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:18,418 But even with all the hype, 988 00:40:18,543 --> 00:40:21,880 the marketing had audiences more confused than convinced. 989 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,467 We did our own teaser trailer and gave it to Paramount. 990 00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:28,761 For nearly 3000 years, 991 00:40:28,887 --> 00:40:31,681 man has searched for the Lost Ark of the Covenant. 992 00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:35,810 It was just the ark and some voiceover. 993 00:40:35,935 --> 00:40:39,397 It is protected by forces beyond imagination. 994 00:40:39,397 --> 00:40:44,486 So it was suggested by Paramount that we run it 995 00:40:44,486 --> 00:40:48,448 with a real audience at the Chinese theater. 996 00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:51,868 And at the end, they don't like it. 997 00:40:51,993 --> 00:40:54,788 To many people, it was baffling. What's that? 998 00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:58,541 So we will go back and change it, which we did. 999 00:41:00,710 --> 00:41:02,629 And the mixed reaction to the trailer 1000 00:41:02,629 --> 00:41:05,340 posed even bigger questions. 1001 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:06,841 It wasn't a sure thing. 1002 00:41:06,841 --> 00:41:10,762 {\an8}It was cutting a new old genre. Cliffhanger. 1003 00:41:10,887 --> 00:41:12,806 {\an8}One cliffhanger after another. 1004 00:41:12,806 --> 00:41:14,599 Would an audience accept that? 1005 00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:16,017 Did they want, you know, 1006 00:41:16,142 --> 00:41:18,561 something deeper and more substantial? 1007 00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:20,355 Shoot it like a B picture. 1008 00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:22,023 But did that mean George 1009 00:41:22,148 --> 00:41:24,400 and Steven had just made Harrison Ford 1010 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,402 into an overpaid B actor? 1011 00:41:27,445 --> 00:41:29,656 Always as ensemble actor. 1012 00:41:31,616 --> 00:41:32,784 Son of a bitch. 1013 00:41:32,909 --> 00:41:33,952 That unknown quantity 1014 00:41:34,077 --> 00:41:36,037 would not be unknown for long. 1015 00:41:36,037 --> 00:41:37,831 You're about to become a permanent addition 1016 00:41:37,831 --> 00:41:39,791 to this archaeological find. 1017 00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:41,626 Following Raiders' release that June... 1018 00:41:41,626 --> 00:41:44,587 And I remember the numbers came in. 1019 00:41:44,712 --> 00:41:46,673 ...within three days, 1020 00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:48,758 all those questions were answered. 1021 00:41:48,758 --> 00:41:50,677 We were astounded on Friday 1022 00:41:50,677 --> 00:41:52,929 and even more amazed on Saturday 1023 00:41:53,054 --> 00:41:56,683 and very happy on Sunday. 1024 00:41:56,808 --> 00:41:58,476 Raiders of the Lost Ark 1025 00:41:58,476 --> 00:42:01,813 netted nearly 390 million worldwide 1026 00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:05,024 from its meager $20 million budget. 1027 00:42:05,024 --> 00:42:07,318 Adjusted for inflation would be over 1028 00:42:07,443 --> 00:42:09,112 a billion dollars today. 1029 00:42:09,112 --> 00:42:11,698 And despite Universal's concerns. 1030 00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:13,616 It won't do well in Germany. 1031 00:42:13,616 --> 00:42:16,035 The crowds in Deutschland had no quarrels. 1032 00:42:16,035 --> 00:42:18,454 You Americans, you are all the same. 1033 00:42:18,454 --> 00:42:20,081 And for Deborah, 1034 00:42:20,081 --> 00:42:22,041 it had been a long road of doubt and second guessing. 1035 00:42:22,041 --> 00:42:23,793 This is our hero? 1036 00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:25,503 But when she saw the final product, 1037 00:42:25,503 --> 00:42:27,797 all the pieces suddenly made sense. 1038 00:42:27,797 --> 00:42:30,550 Steve wanted to be Indiana Jones. 1039 00:42:30,675 --> 00:42:33,887 George Lucas wants to be Indiana Jones. 1040 00:42:33,887 --> 00:42:36,723 They all wanted to be Indiana Jones. 1041 00:42:36,723 --> 00:42:40,810 Why, every man on the planet wants to be Indiana Jones. 1042 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:44,814 And every woman wants to be with Indiana Jones. 1043 00:42:44,814 --> 00:42:47,901 But only one guy was Indiana Jones. 1044 00:42:48,026 --> 00:42:50,570 - He's vulnerable. - It hurts. 1045 00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:53,406 - He's competent. - Stay out of the light. 1046 00:42:53,406 --> 00:42:54,949 He's trustworthy. 1047 00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:56,576 I am already missing you. 1048 00:42:56,576 --> 00:42:58,077 He's kind. 1049 00:42:58,077 --> 00:42:59,996 Man of many talents. 1050 00:42:59,996 --> 00:43:01,748 And most importantly, 1051 00:43:01,748 --> 00:43:04,125 for audiences around the world. 1052 00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:06,377 They really fell in love with Harrison Ford. 1053 00:43:06,503 --> 00:43:08,755 Harrison Ford had arrived. 1054 00:43:08,755 --> 00:43:11,466 This is now Harrison as the absolute. 1055 00:43:11,466 --> 00:43:13,593 This is his movie, top to bottom. 1056 00:43:13,593 --> 00:43:15,094 And yet his next picture 1057 00:43:15,094 --> 00:43:16,679 would be a sudden departure 1058 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,849 into even more uncertain territory. 1059 00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:22,060 Ridley's a little bit of a, what's the word? 1060 00:43:22,185 --> 00:43:23,186 An artist. 1061 00:43:24,062 --> 00:43:26,397 He and Harrison have a lot of conflicts. 1062 00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:28,149 I think I went to Ridley 1063 00:43:28,149 --> 00:43:30,652 and I said, "What the fuck is he doing?" 1064 00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:32,904 And suddenly, Blade Runner was in deep trouble. 1065 00:43:32,904 --> 00:43:34,864 Absolutely a bomb.